DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling

by Apurvaa 2013-05-07
I received my dermarollers. 0.2mm and 1.5mm.

I read in some previous post that one can apply a DIY Retinol 2% serum after rolling.

I also read, that, one should be careful what to apply after rolling. I also skipped through Sahra's site, but it is a bit long and I just don't have the time to go through each and every posting.

My question is:
does anybody have the ingredients for the DIY 2% retinol serum, and, WHEN exactly should I apply it.
After rolling with the 0.5mm roller for product penetration, OR after rolling with the 1.5mm roller.

I will soon make the non-acid form of C-serum, so that I already have on hand.
hopefully somebody has the Retinol serum recipe, then, I'll have that too.
IF THERE IS ANY OTHER GOOD DIY SERUM THAT IS BENEFICIAL FOR ANTI-AGING, and DERMAROLLING then, I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could help me out,, and lead me, to the recipe.

my BIGGEST confusion NOW is, WHICH SERUM to apply when???
morning or night and with which needle length. 0.5 or 1.5mm, OR, BEFORE or AFTER rolling??

my apologies for my numerous and maybe tedious questions, but, I am anxious to learn more.

Sona
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Book_Worm
Sona - the biggest problem that folks have is that they start rolling without proper preparation. There are several dermaroller threads on this site that can help. Here is a link - see post #253 - where DragoN gives a list of articles. As she told me, read the last one AT LEAST.

http://www.skincaretalk.com/diy-skin...estion-13.html

Here is a link to the discussion forum on Dermarollers at EDS; I read the entire thing when I started out; I'd say that anyone planning on dermarolling should read the last half AT LEAST. It is very helpful in that folks share their experiences and the latest research, too.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum....php?tid=22460
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Doug4506
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I don't know, Dolphinz, since I am already adjusted to the RA. I made up a 5% RP in oil serum, which I layer with my Idebenone/B3/Glucosamine serum on nights that I do not use RA. The 5% is high but I figure that it must be diluted somewhat since I am layering it.

Thats what I was thinking of doing a 5% oil serum I cant find anything published to back up the 5% choice but Im sure I read it somewhere as bieng the best % for collagen stimulation I read that squalene enhances RP ability to penetrate the skin so was going to use olive oil which contains it and borage and vit e for nightime use.
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Creepshow09
I wanted to ask what is the most effective % of RP to use SEA state that theirs can be used up to 5% of a formulation do you have to go up gradually in use to get get your skin accustomed to it like RA ? or is it a case of less is more ?

thanks
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Deyan
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I wanted to ask what is the most effective % of RP to use SEA state that theirs can be used up to 5% of a formulation do you have to go up gradually in use to get get your skin accustomed to it like RA ? or is it a case of less is more ?

thanks

I don't know, Dolphinz, since I am already adjusted to the RA. I made up a 5% RP in oil serum, which I layer with my Idebenone/B3/Glucosamine serum on nights that I do not use RA. The 5% is high but I figure that it must be diluted somewhat since I am layering it.
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by DualGemini
I use my Idebenone/Niacinamide/Glucosamine serum at night and wanted to leave the RP out since I use RA every other night and didn't want to "double up" on the vitamin A. The layering has worked well.

You might want to post an e-mail to SEA to see if there is a source for the 5% RP; they tend to have the support for just about everything else.
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Easymanmoney
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Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Ducky
http://journal.scconline.org/pdf/cc1...235-p00240.pdf

Dolphinz.^^^ the info you are looking for. You can make your decision based on the data. 5% is the max, not that it is necessary, but may work well for some and not for others. Less is more with most actives. That being said, too little is not very helpful and too much can be irritating. Balance.

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Sona - the biggest problem that folks have is that they start rolling without proper preparation.

Agreed. Prep the skin, which takes TIME...and your supplements or diet should reflect also appropriate increases in your micro nutrients. Then you will have a far better chance of seeing results. The skin responds, but it is rate limited in its response if key players are missing. It takes TIME and patience....it's not an instant fix. Consistency.

Read the data Randy suggested....and at the very least....the last pdf. It is very concise and clear without all the hype.

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my BIGGEST confusion NOW is, WHICH SERUM to apply when???

Your A's go on at NIGHT. Vitamin A is annihilated by UV light. Retinoic acid is the end form of Vitamin A [ think of it that way] it canNOT be reconverted in the skin. However, your RP, R and RAldehyde can be...and they are responsible for a whole cascade of other enzyme dependent reactions/signals in the skin.

And...you need a good Sunscreen. Or you will only be undoing all the hard work.
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IF THERE IS ANY OTHER GOOD DIY SERUM THAT IS BENEFICIAL FOR ANTI-AGING, and DERMAROLLING then, I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could help me out,, and lead me, to the recipe.

Hmmm....I do use one of my own, but haven't posted it. BUT....it goes against the anti inflammation info's because I don't have so much down time and I am out doors a great deal. Right now, I am using the Chrysin VitK1 with 2% Retinol. After rolling...so far so good.

What do you have in your actives cabinet?
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Hal3
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I don't know, Dolphinz, since I am already adjusted to the RA. I made up a 5% RP in oil serum, which I layer with my Idebenone/B3/Glucosamine serum on nights that I do not use RA. The 5% is high but I figure that it must be diluted somewhat since I am layering it.

Thanks I made a 10ml 5% serum 50% Olive + Borage (anti-irritant) after stepping up to 3% first as had a little flushing at 2% skin feels very soft after application and looksmuch more even toned in the AM
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Enigma29
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Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Heathers
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Thanks I made a 10ml 5% serum 50% Olive + Borage (anti-irritant) after stepping up to 3% first as had a little flushing at 2% skin feels very soft after application and looksmuch more even toned in the AM

Glad to hear it. I find that I am using Retin-A less often (maybe 2-3x/wk) since I like the RP so much better.
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Jaclymw
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Glad to hear it. I find that I am using Retin-A less often (maybe 2-3x/wk) since I like the RP so much better.

Why Randy ? I am interested in the difference in benefits you have experienced between the two p.s. am not using RA so have nothing to compare the RP too
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Jw00325
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Why Randy ? I am interested in the difference in benefits you have experienced between the two p.s. am not using RA so have nothing to compare the RP too

When I started RA three years ago - I was very aggressive in the hope of reversing some "aging" issues. I have some forehead lines which are really genetic and not due to aging, and RA did nothing to budge them. But the harshness from overuse of the drug left me with dry skin which seemed red and tender most of the time. So I backed down on my use of the RA - at about the same time that I learned about RP. It was DragoN who said somewhere on the site that each of the three forms of A has unique benefits. My interpretation of what she said is that we were short changing ourselves just to use one of them. So I added RP and hope to add Retinol too at some point.

So I added the RP on alternate nights that I do not use the RA. My skin is not sore or touchy anymore - which is good - since in my mind those were just the visible signs of what may have been a disaster at the cellular level. So I am delighted that I found an alternate source of A - my skin in calm and toned, with no further progression of visible aging, and no breakouts thanks to the addition of Niacinamide-Glucosamine-idebenone (or Kinetin) serums.

The use of RA does leave a nice glow to the skin, which I do love, but I do not need it everyday. The exfoliation benefits of RA (since it is an acid) are great but since I already use so many other acids (the main one being L-aa) my skin is quite well-exfoliated anyway. So for me it has been a win-win situation.
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Melaniep
Randy I know you research what you use very thoroughly. Would you mind posting your regime? I think you use CPs and RA and LAA ... and which retinol serum and which NAG/idebenone serum? Thx in advance.
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Raiderbabe239
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Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Srfrbaybe
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Randy I know you research what you use very thoroughly. Would you mind posting your regime? I think you use CPs and RA and LAA ... and which retinol serum and which NAG/idebenone serum? Thx in advance.

Like most folks that are trying to juggle a lot of things, I do not have a fixed schedule, but I can share my regime in a general sense.

Morning
No cleanser, just water, to wash my face.

L-aa serum (15%) to my entire face every other day.

On the alternate day - I only apply the L-aa to my lower face and CPs (Super COP 2x) to my forehead ("problem area" for me), followed by Emu oil to enhance absorption. The folks at Skin Biology told me in a correspondence that they no longer warn vs. concomitant use of these two products - but I am an old dog and do it the old way - and so do not use them on the same areas together.

About 45 minutes later - I layer a few products, just waiting for them to absorb adequately -
DIY Glucoamine/B3/Idebenone (or the Kinetin version) serum to my entire face.
DIY ALA/Pepha-tight/Trylagen serum to my entire face.
Sunscreen - if I am going out. Most days - no.

Late afternoon - (after exercising/showering)
Kassy's MSM/Niacinamide face cream to my face and neck, followed by a nourishing oil (usually argan or rosehip seed).

Night
OCM to wash my face.
Every night - Super COP 2x to my forehead. Every other night - CP serum to the rest of my face. Followed by Emu oil to enhance absorption. 1-2x per week I use my 0.5mm derma roller to roll in the CP's before applying the Emu oil.

RA 0.1% (buffered as needed with Aloe Vera Gel) or Retinyl Palmitate 5% (in argan oil). RA - maybe 2-3 times a week, it varies.

Every night - DIY Glucosamine/B3/Idebenone (or the Kinetin version) serum.

I use my BQ weekly - using an AHA, green tea, PCA combo serum that Kassy posted somewhere on this site.

I think that's about it (?)
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Robin12

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Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by grady_bryant
Thanks! And SEA has retinyl palmitate too!
Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by Valdieron
Thanks Randy thats pretty impressive. And gives me an idea what to alternate my 0.1% RA gel with since i can only use it every 4th night.

Your 5% RP in argan oil is just that then? No other ingreds? I may try that since it sounds like a ShakeNBake recipe. Nothing strenuous please! Becaws Im a simple










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Re:DIY Retinol 2% serum and Dermarolling
by atrixa
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Thanks Randy thats pretty impressive. And gives me an idea what to alternate my 0.1% RA gel with since i can only use it every 4th night.

Your 5% RP in argan oil is just that then? No other ingreds? I may try that since it sounds like a ShakeNBake recipe. Nothing strenuous please!

How adorable! Yes - just 5% RP in Argan Oil - and making up 10ml at a time, so that I can switch up the oil if I want to, but I have been liking the Argan Oil.

I should note that I did pull the RP out of the standard Idebenone/Glucosamine/B3 recipe - since I do use it during the day. And so that I do not double up on A's (since I also apply Retin-A on some nights).
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